UngeheuerLich
Legend
Power word heal at level 9 too.
D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Bard"
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Chaosmancer
Legend
Tasha's gave that to Clerics.
I've DM'd two Bards that chose Find Steed.
Mirrorrorrim
Hero
I have as well. Paladin spells like Find Steed and Circle of Power are pretty crazy for a full caster to get access to, earlier than a Paladin can.
In post 57, Burnside noted the same thing -- I should have mentoned him.
Paladins gain access to Find Steed at 5th level. Bards might gain access to it at 10th level. A lore bard might gain access to it at 6th level.
Bards don't gain access to Find Steed earlier just because of the spell progression charts.
Circle of Power can be acquired significantly sooner but there's far too much competition for 5th level spells known out of the 2 at 10th level or opposed to even higher level spells known at 14th or 18th levels.
Circle of Power isn't some kind of massively superior spell to other 5th level spells that gaining it at the same time as other 5th level spells is somehow "pretty crazy". It's just another 5th level spell and typically being only on the paladin list is irrelevant to the spell level. Otherwise the spell levels for the other spells on the paladin list would be borked.
Bards using these spells was never about power. It was about players not wanting to share iconic abilities, which is what the restrictions on selecting spells is meant to address.
A level 10 Bard (PHB 2014) does get access to Find Greater Steed, which a paladin can only get at level 13.
With the new (proposed) Find Steed, the discrepancy widens (since a Lore Bard can take the Find Steed at 6, and upcast to a flying mount at level 7, which (again) the Paladin can only do at 13.
Marandahir
Crown-Forester (he/him)
I'm assuming they're sticking with the new Bard progression of "whenever you gain a new spell slot, you also gain a new spell prepared selection to put in said slot" – that was the UA6 progression.
This would mean 14 spells by 9th level, and the remaining 8 spells prepared can be of any of the four lists. This makes 12/14/16 the only levels where you don't prepare a new spell, but can still swap out an old spell.
This would mean 14 spells by 9th level, and the remaining 8 spells prepared can be of any of the four lists. This makes 12/14/16 the only levels where you don't prepare a new spell, but can still swap out an old spell.
Marandahir
Crown-Forester (he/him)
Hey at least it means you now get to know 3 9th level spells. I guess theoretically you could learn 7 different 9th level spells by choosing to learn 3 of them and retrain 4 of them, but with only one slot to use them on, it made very little sense to choose more than 1 9th-level spell. This gives you some built-in versatility for the slot.
Same issue as Circle of Power. The bard only gets 2 choices of every spell from levels 1 thru 5 which is a very crowded choice for the player. Find Greater Steed is still just another 4th level spell among many spells that isn't significantly better than other 4th level spells in the choice.
As far as the paladin is concerned, every spell on the list is gained at later levels than casters like bards, clerics, druids, sorcerers, warlocks, and wizards. The fact that Find Greater Steed is typically only on the paladin list ist still irrelevant to the spell levels compared to it and other choices.
All those casters gain access to 4th level spells at the same time. The spells in question are still just spells of those levels.
It's like complaining about the relative access to Raise Dead. That gap exists too and it's no different. ;-)
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