D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Sorcerer"

While this is as different as they have ever been. I still feel like they are just trying to force the issue rather than admitting they made a mistake.

It's like if they accidentally said "I love you" to a stranger, and now are planning a wedding to avoid admitting it.
There was no mistake. The sorcerer was deliberately added to 3.0 to justify the wizard getting so many spells in the PHB.

However 4e and 5e, in part thanks to subclasses being baked in and not being weighed down by legacy, have managed to turn the sorcerer into far the more interesting and varied of the two to the point that mechanically and thematically the wizard should be the book-learning ritual-casting subclass of sorcerer.
 

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Staffan

Legend
There was no mistake. The sorcerer was deliberately added to 3.0 to justify the wizard getting so many spells in the PHB.

However 4e and 5e, in part thanks to subclasses being baked in and not being weighed down by legacy, have managed to turn the sorcerer into far the more interesting and varied of the two to the point that mechanically and thematically the wizard should be the book-learning ritual-casting subclass of sorcerer.
I think the main reason why 4e and to some extent 5e have managed to do more interesting things with the sorcerer is that they are not shackled by traditional Vancian casting. The 3e Sorcerer's main selling point was its spontaneous casting, but now that everyone has that in some way it needs something different.

The 3e sorcerer was also hampered by a conservative attitude toward its newfangled spontaneous casting. I'm guessing the designers weren't sure how powerful it would be, so they were shackled with a number of weaknesses compared to the wizard: delayed spell access, no bonus feats, highly limited repertoire, and requiring a full-round action in order to apply metamagic to a spell. All of that made the sorcerer a rather weak class.
 

mellored

Legend
There is no mistake. It's nice to have a class that isn't a book nerd caster. The mistake has been WotC always being gun shy when it comes to giving the sorcerer power.
With enough effort you can make an accidental marriage a happy one.
There was no mistake. The sorcerer was deliberately added to 3.0 to justify the wizard getting so many spells in the PHB.
Right.

Instead of reducing the number of spells... They doubled down on it.

It's the Mutant / Enhanced superhero class (but not Warrior-type; that's the Barbarian, Monk, or Artificer depending on their superpower source). This is X-MEN like Cyclops, Jean Grey, Magneto, Storm, or Jubilee. You can do a very small number of things REALLY well and you can change the way you do them
Which is poorly represented by spell slots and casting the same spells as the wizard. Being able to cast catapult, web, fireball, and mass suggestions are not "a very small number of things".

It's litterally the same mechanics as wizard casts.
(widen the eye lasers to hit a larger number of targets, redirect the power towards the ground for a soft landing, etc).
So make a class built around an at-will blast they can modify with spell points. Somewhere between a warlock and monk.

That would be a unique class and not a wizard subclass.
 

It's the Mutant / Enhanced superhero class (but not Warrior-type; that's the Barbarian, Monk, or Artificer depending on their superpower source). This is X-MEN like Cyclops, Jean Grey, Magneto, Storm, or Jubilee. You can do a very small number of things REALLY well and you can change the way you do them (widen the eye lasers to hit a larger number of targets, redirect the power towards the ground for a soft landing, etc).

Watch X-MEN '97 – it's a great reference for how a Sorcerer plays, or at least how it ideally plays.
My only disagreement here is how many of them aren't sorcerers but warlocks with Jean being a GOOlock (and The Phoenix Force a GOO) and Cyclops being an Eldritch Blast spammer. Both of them with some At Will stuff that goes way beyond a cantrip and Pact Magic to go above and beyond their high baselines. Oh and Psylocke is a Soulknife.
 


Marandahir

Crown-Forester (he/him)
With enough effort you can make an accidental marriage a happy one.

Right.

Instead of reducing the number of spells... They doubled down on it.


Which is poorly represented by spell slots and casting the same spells as the wizard. Being able to cast catapult, web, fireball, and mass suggestions are not "a very small number of things".

It's litterally the same mechanics as wizard casts.

So make a class built around an at-will blast they can modify with spell points. Somewhere between a warlock and monk.

That would be a unique class and not a wizard subclass.
I do think they should lean more into the cantrips and metamagic side of things, and switch to spell points, when they get to the next major revision. But I think the Sorcerer currently has an interesting mechanical space as flexible in the moment while the Warlock is flexible at Character Building / Level Up.
 

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