D&D (2024) GREYHAWKCONFIRMED! Reflections on Greyhawk in the DMG

Saracenus

Saracenus

Always In School Gamer
Hussar said:
It is kinda funny really. When WotC changed the Forgotten Realms to remove/change lore, people lost their freaking minds. It was a HUGE deal. But, strip out decades of Greyhawk lore and return it back to original? GREAT!
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There is a huge difference between what they did in the Forgotten Realms and what they are doing with Greyhawk. First off the lore changes happened as the timeline advanced. They tied themselves up into pretzels to justify any new edition rules changes as well. Greyhawk...

Resetting the campaign back to 576 CY and the Folio/Box Set gives new players a sane entry point into the World of Greyhawk that I fully approve of. The "old" lore still exists, you can get it at the DM's Guild in PDF or POD form. It is far easier to add stuff in than it is to take it out.

That means that I have a world unbound by what has come before, as I like to use Greyhawk and anyone that loves the various incarnations of Greyhawk can still use that with all the time line advances that entails.

To me, this is a win, win.
 
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Hussar

Hussar

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Oh absolutely. I totally agree. I’m perfectly happy they are doing a reset. No skin off my nose.

Thing is, they’re resetting for exactly the same reasons. To make the setting more accessible to new players. But when they did that with FR, it was the biggest mistake ever and WotC only did it because they hate fans.

Now they do exactly the same thing for the same reason and everyone gives them a big thumbs up.

Must be incredibly frustrating.
 

Parmandur

Parmandur

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Hussar said:
Oh absolutely. I totally agree. I’m perfectly happy they are doing a reset. No skin off my nose.

Thing is, they’re resetting for exactly the same reasons. To make the setting more accessible to new players. But when they did that with FR, it was the biggest mistake ever and WotC only did it because they hate fans.

Now they do exactly the same thing for the same reason and everyone gives them a big thumbs up.

Must be incredibly frustrating.
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Yeah, people are funny.

Thing is, Greyhawk was probably always a better fit for what WotC wanted to do with the Sword Coast in the past decade, at least as far as fan concerns go.
 

Parmandur

Parmandur

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So, tangential yet related, it sounds like the D&D Open tournament coming at GenCon is going to be set in Greyhawk by default, and seems to be hinting at something Temple of Elemental Evil related. Wonder if this is a DMG preview, similar to the GaryCon Open with Taojcanth previewing Quests from the Infinite Staircase?

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Parmandur

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Geographic context, amd it is also worth noting that Yokande has appeared in PHB artwork for the new book since she is one of the named spellcasters:

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Saracenus

Saracenus

Always In School Gamer
Hussar said:
Oh absolutely. I totally agree. I’m perfectly happy they are doing a reset. No skin off my nose.

Thing is, they’re resetting for exactly the same reasons. To make the setting more accessible to new players. But when they did that with FR, it was the biggest mistake ever and WotC only did it because they hate fans.

Now they do exactly the same thing for the same reason and everyone gives them a big thumbs up.

Must be incredibly frustrating.
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I guess I am confused. Are you saying that WotC is potentially frustrated by the different reactions of fans to changes in established settings?

Also, I don't remember them taking FR backwards to the original box set timeline. All the lore changes I remember from FR have been either world shaking events (usually to justify additions/subtractions due an edition change) or recons when they publish something for the latest editions. Am I missing something?
 

Hussar

Hussar

Legend
Saracenus said:
I guess I am confused. Are you saying that WotC is potentially frustrated by the different reactions of fans to changes in established settings?

Also, I don't remember them taking FR backwards to the original box set timeline. All the lore changes I remember from FR have been either world shaking events (usually to justify additions/subtractions due an edition change) or recons when they publish something for the latest editions. Am I missing something?
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Yes. The whole Spellplague thing was a soft reboot for the setting. Move the timeline forward a bit, clear out a bunch of the history, and new players can come into the setting without having to know masses of lore.

IOW, they're doing pretty much the same thing that they're doing with Greyhawk, but getting completely opposite reactions.
 

Parmandur

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Saracenus said:
I guess I am confused. Are you saying that WotC is potentially frustrated by the different reactions of fans to changes in established settings?

Also, I don't remember them taking FR backwards to the original box set timeline. All the lore changes I remember from FR have been either world shaking events (usually to justify additions/subtractions due an edition change) or recons when they publish something for the latest editions. Am I missing something?
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At the start of 5Ez they basically sent the FR metaplot to love a happy life on a farm upstate, and SCAG is designed to simultaneously move the tinelije "forward" to a new present which hasn't changed since...but made that present compatible with the original state of the FR, Southard Adventure vooks can easily be used by people running Amy era of Faerûn.
 

Parmandur

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Hussar said:
Yes. The whole Spellplague thing was a soft reboot for the setting. Move the timeline forward a bit, clear out a bunch of the history, and new players can come into the setting without having to know masses of lore.

IOW, they're doing pretty much the same thing that they're doing with Greyhawk, but getting completely opposite reactions.
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Nah, this is less like the Spellplafue, and more like the Second Sundering from juat before 5E, that restored major key NPCs but left the world state remarkably similar to the Classic Reqlms so they could have their metaplot Cale and eat their evergreen Setting, too.
 

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