D&D (2024) GREYHAWKCONFIRMED! Reflections on Greyhawk in the DMG

JEB

Legend
But it means exactly that they will tend to be conservative when there is no particular reason not to be (as with sau, Ravenlpft, a literal minefield of problematic content originally).
Eh, they've made some notable changes from previous editions' canon since the policy was revealed, on things that had a history in the game and weren't problematic (such as Spelljammer's cosmology). They do seem to have become more conservative since then (Dragonlance and Planescape hew much closer to their originals) but the policy itself didn't reflect a bias towards established canon. They did what they said - they thought twice before changing old lore... but changed it anyway if they had an idea they liked better.

And we have a map now, which shows a lot of what they have changed, and a lot of which has stayed the same. No doubt there will be other interesting changes in the text, I look forward to seeing what they have cooked up.
Which is the right place to focus! You can officially rely on what they tell you. (For now, anyway.) Just don't assume anything else that isn't stated. If you want to follow old Greyhawk lore beyond what they say, then have fun doing so! But remember that the official 2024 5e Greyhawk won't be beholden to it.

Never mind about that,I thought you were referencing their promise to publish their official content policy (i.e. their internal standards for what is acceptable).
Huh, I completely forgot about that promise. Interesting.
 

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Parmandur

Book-Friend
Which is the right place to focus! You can officially rely on what they tell you. (For now, anyway.) Just don't assume anything else that isn't stated. If you want to follow old Greyhawk lore beyond what they say, then have fun doing so! But remember that the official 2024 5e Greyhawk won't be beholden to it.
I'm not beholden to it, so why should WotC be...? I'm in the camp that nothing happened after the 1983 box set, but that the 3E flavor material still counts...except there modern 5E is better, like with Orcs.
 
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Dragonhelm

Knight of Solamnia
Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm a man of wealth and taste. I've been around for a long, long year.

Ladies and gentlemen, Mick Jagger! :D

Over time, I began to remember that what made Greyhawk special to me was that Greyhawk was a setting of hooks, but not answers. Were DMs were free to put their own material in. That every table had a different Greyhawk, and that was fine. Moreover, that Greyhawk not only was full of mysteries and unexplored areas in the Flanaess (the main map area), but the rest of Oerik was yours to fill in.

And that's what I want for the next generation of gamers. A setting to make their own. I don't want it to be encumbered by the cruft of too much lore, and too many strictures. Make Greyhawk the setting you want it to be.

My favorite settings are the ones with lore and story to them. Dragonlance is my favorite, followed by the Forgotten Realms. Really, I like a lot of settings.

Greyhawk had always felt like it was lacking something to me. Story, cohesion. I think I missed the point. I mean, I had heard it could be a sandbox world, but I don't think it clicked with me.

Plus, it felt like it was "Garweeze Wurld" (to borrow a phrase). I always felt like if I was to do anything with Greyhawk and I ever discussed it on an online forum, I would be told that I'm "doing it wrong" since it would be more up-to-date with 5e rules and have my own take on things.

For some reason, I now feel like I can make Greyhawk my own. I mean, I always could, but something about the presentation feels like Gary Gygax himself is giving me permission and saying, "It's yours now." And maybe that's okay.

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Summary: Dragonhelm is in some weird headspace about Greyhawk for some reason, but feels like he can now make Greyhawk his own.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Supporter
For some reason, I now feel like I can make Greyhawk my own. I mean, I always could, but something about the presentation feels like Gary Gygax himself is giving me permission and saying, "It's yours now." And maybe that's okay.

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Summary: Dragonhelm is in some weird headspace about Greyhawk for some reason, but feels like he can now make Greyhawk his own.

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Parmandur

Book-Friend
There is a little bit of detail in this video about a tavern in the Free City of Greyhawk described in the DMG, The Silver Dragon:

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Hussar

Legend
This is just another plot to erase the Greyhawk Wars from history! Who will fight to preserve this piece of our past???
It is kinda funny really. When WotC changed the Forgotten Realms to remove/change lore, people lost their freaking minds. It was a HUGE deal. But, strip out decades of Greyhawk lore and return it back to original? GREAT!
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
It is kinda funny really. When WotC changed the Forgotten Realms to remove/change lore, people lost their freaking minds. It was a HUGE deal. But, strip out decades of Greyhawk lore and return it back to original? GREAT!
Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms have very, very different Fandoms.

Though I'm also a Forgotten Realms originalist: rolling back the FR timeline to the original starting date would actually restore a lot of great Advebture potential thst was actualized in novels, etc.
 

Shiroiken

Legend
It is kinda funny really. When WotC changed the Forgotten Realms to remove/change lore, people lost their freaking minds. It was a HUGE deal. But, strip out decades of Greyhawk lore and return it back to original? GREAT!
Because those decades of lore were already controversial. Greyhawk was largely static during 1E, with the "story" being advanced by the published adventures and a small handful of articles by Gygax. He originally intended it this way, for everyone to start at CY 576.


The Realms has always been an evolving setting, with Ed Greenwood writing more and more stories based in it. Add in the plethora of novels, and the Realms is a completely different animal.
 


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