Question on Saves -- 3 Saves

Slit518

Adventurer

• Jun 29, 2024

• #1

I am creating a TTRPG, and have decided to go with 3 Saves

1. Acumen - a combination of Dexterity & Intelligence
2. Endurance - a combination of Strength & Constitution
3. Willpower (may change to Ego) - a combination of Wisdom & Charisma

My game doesn't use the 6 Classic Stats however, but to give you an idea of what each Save represents that is how I laid it out for you folks.

Thanks in advance for the answers & participation!

 

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Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow

• Jun 29, 2024

• #2

What does Acumen cover? Dex + Int gives me the idea its hand eye coordination type stuff?

the big one the seems to be missing is Agility - used for dodging, balance, acrobatics type movement

 

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Corinnguard

Hero

• Jun 29, 2024

• #3

3e and Pathfinder kept the saves simple by limiting the number of saves down to three- Fortitude. Reflex and Will. So, three saves works for me.

Tonguez said:

the big one the seems to be missing is Agility - used for dodging, balance, acrobatics type movement

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Dexterity could be split into Manual Dexterity and Agility. The former would be how good you were with your hands while the latter would cover the dodging, the balancing and tumbling.

 

Slit518

Adventurer

• Jun 29, 2024

• #4

Tonguez said:

What does Acumen cover? Dex + Int gives me the idea its hand eye coordination type stuff?

the big one the seems to be missing is Agility - used for dodging, balance, acrobatics type movement

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Agility is a Stat.

The game uses the approach of the GM decides which Stat to use for the roll.

With that in mind, Agility is used for dodging attacks and could be used for an array of Skill tests. But for example a Fireball or Lightning Bolt or Trap would use an Acumen Save.

 

W'rkncacnter

Hero

• Jun 29, 2024

• #5

this just reads like the 3e/pf saves.

should work just fine.

 

Slit518

Adventurer

• Jun 29, 2024

• #6

W'rkncacnter said:

this just reads like the 3e/pf saves.

should work just fine.

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Yes & No.

3e/PF Saves were

1. Fortitude - Constitution
2. Reflex - Dexterity
3. Willpower - Wisdom

This uses two Stats and adds the modifier from each Stat (yes, even the negative ones) to effect the number on the Save.

 

Nikosandros

Golden Procrastinator

• Jun 29, 2024

• #7

It can work. 4e has this exact model, except that in 4e they are not saves but defenses that the attacker has to "hit", but this is just a question of who makes the roll: the attacker or the defender.

 

Slit518

Adventurer

• Jun 29, 2024

• #8

Nikosandros said:

It can work. 4e has this exact model, except that in 4e they are not saves but defenses that the attacker has to "hit", but this is just a question of who makes the roll: the attacker or the defender.

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Defender.

 

payn

I don't believe in the no-win scenario

• Jun 29, 2024

• #9

Is this set up for SAD classes? Like the rogue will use dex for acumen, but the wizard will use intelligence?

 

Slit518

Adventurer

• Jun 29, 2024

• #10

payn said:

Is this set up for SAD classes? Like the rogue will use dex for acumen, but the wizard will use intelligence?

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No, everyone uses both.