Is Evil Genius Games Doubling Down On NFTs & Blockchain?

Despite public pledges not to use controversial technologies.

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Evil Genius Games' Dave Scott presents to a panel of judges at a cryptocurrency convention in May 2024

Earlier this year, it was revealed that Evil Genius Games--publisher of the d20 Modern inspired Everyday Heroes TTRPG--was considering use of certain controversial Web3 technologies, such as non-fungible tokens (NFTs) and blockchains. In response to that, EGG published a manifesto on February 6th, 2024, which they called their 'Technology Code of Ethics' in which the company pledged not to use blockchain or cryptocurrencies (along with AI, and other pledges). Indeed, Scott himself told me back in February that the company had decided not to use blockchain technology. For a full background on EGG and recent events, you can read more in The Rise And Fall Of Evil Genius Games.

#2: Evil Genius Games will not use Blockchain or Cryptocurrency technologies in the building or operation of its technology platform.

At the end of 2023 and the start of 2024 numerous employees resigned from Evil Genius Games citing--amongst other things--ethical concerns with the technologies that the company was planning to use, something which Dave Scott made public assurances that they would not do. At the time Scott said: “We made the decision not to do AI in October, and then not to do Web3 in December. But apparently, it wasn't enough to allay any concerns. So after the resignations, we brought the team together to discuss. And we felt a public and permanent statement on this issue would be useful. That's why we drafted the code of ethics after the fact.” In fact, back when I spoke to Scott in February of this year, one of the questions I asked him was why the staff who had recently resigned from EGG did not believe him when he repeated that the company did not intend to use those controversial technologies, and he indicated to me that he didn't know why that was the case.

EGG Pitches At Consensus 2024
However, last week, EGG participated in a pitch competition at an event at Consensus 2024, a convention in Texas run by Coindesk. Consensus describes itself as "the world's largest, longest-running and most influential gathering that brings together all sides of the cryptocurrency, blockchain and Web3 community". EGG's owner Dave Scott pitched a future for their TTRPG offerings which leaned heavily on both blockchains and on non-fungible tokens. Scott introduced the company and told the attendees that "we make turn-based RPGs on chain based on famous Blockbuster movie franchises that we all know and love."

Interestingly, Scott also stated that Jeff Grubb (Dragonlance, d20 Modern) works for the company and describes him as "the father of modern day Dungeons and Dragons"; Grubb made it clear earlier this year that he had no current involvement with Evil Genius Games. In my previous delve into EGG, it turned out that Grubb's participation in Everyday Heroes was that he wrote the foreword in 2023.

I'm not the best person on the staff. Meet Jeff Grub. Jeff Grub is the father of modern day Dungeons and Dragons.

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So how do NFTs fit into this vision? Dave Scott described it as follows:

Imagine a scenario where you could actually buy NFT utilities that are exclusive to these licenses you could actually pilot Gypsy Danger, you can carry Rambo's M60, all of these that have value that can be bought sold and traded but more importantly in the Roblox fashion we're going to allow other people to actually create their own NFTs which can be thrown onto a marketplace where they can buy, sell and trade those adventures as well.

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Scott's pitch can be watched below--in the video the CEO presented an NFT and blockchain powered future for Evil Genius Games' tabletop offerings in front of three judges, who then proceeded to ask him questions about the pitch.

During the Q&A which followed, Scott confirmed that there was no actual NFT technology in place yet, indicating that "we've just started to set up the infrastructure to be able to create the NFT program". He also claimed that the company has made $1.2M in revenue in the last year based on sales of digital products.

When asked about the blockchain components of the setup, Scott described the content creator marketplace.

All the Creator Marketplace components of it, the UGC components of it, the entire utility is on chain. If you've actually played RPGs before there's a character sheet, all the components of the character sheet will have objects on it, all the objects will be NFTs. In addition to that the actual character sheet itself will be minted as an NFT as well so what that means is that if we use your character as an NPC in a future game we'll actually pay you royalties on the character itself. So the whole thing is based off of objects which are have NFT components to it.

He went on to describe some of the more technical aspects of the platform, including the use of a 'wallet-as-a-service' company called Stardust. Stardust's mission statement is to "democratise blockchain technology for developers and players at scale".

What we're really excited about is the idea that we can use blockchain to be able to control the value and to create value around the objects which make up your character, that's going to be a really important component of it so if you actually create for example an adventure on our system that'll be something that you own as the creator from here on out but the experience we're going after is a Web2 experience which means that we don't want to expose the wallet, we're going to be using a company called Stardust be able to create custodial wallets for that reason.



This was part of a competition, which--as it happens--Evil Genius Games won!

To Pledge Or Not To Pledge?
Whether or not one supports the idea of blockchains and NFTs, Evil Genius Games did make a very public pledge not to use blockchains--and reiterated to staff, to me, and on forums that they did not plan to go ahead with that course. This presentation appears to indicate otherwise, with CEO Dave Scott declaring his intentions towards both blockchains and NFTs in a very public venue.

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EGG's technology Code of Ethics, published in February 2024
 

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mamba

Legend
A contract? A complex legal document that may need multiple supporting documents stored on a blockchain? Is there a separate blockchain for each contract? What happens if the contract needs to be amended?
Yes, a contract, Contracts do get stored in databases you know (I am not talking about a scanned document, just the important fields). Of course there is a separate entry for each contract, much like there is a different record in a database for each contract.

If you need to amend the contract, you add a new record to the blockchain ledger, since you cannot change previous entries (ledger...). In a regular database you either also create a second record, or could possibly update the existing one, depending on the type of amendment and whether the DB allows it (retroactive for the entire contract vs from some later point on forward).
 

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mamba

Legend
This isn't about some black hat hacking servers or something. Adding more and more servers is normal operation for blockchain. Due to exponentially-rising computational cycles required, verifying transactions eventually grinds to a halt if you don't keep adding more and more servers to do the calculations.
They do not have to be that computationally intensive, that is more a 'feature' of crypto mining. As long as I keep adding servers to my closed network (not that it really needs that many, there are a lot fewer contract changes than transactions...) that still makes it much harder to take over the network.

This isn't public network concern. It is part of the design of blockchain.
I know, but if you cannot hook your pirate servers into the network, then you cannot really take it over either.
 

mamba

Legend
I've heard blockchain described as a solution in search of a problem.
and I have heard the Earth described as flat ;)

I agree that blockchain is a buzzword and there is plenty of activity where 'solution in search of a problem' fits. If you want to capitalize on the hype, you basically face the issue of needing to use it for whatever you try to do, so it frequently becomes a 'if all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail' situation.

That does not mean that there are no use cases at all that are not scams or misguided, just that there are many for which a blockchain is overkill, as @Umbran said.

People here asked if there are any use cases for it at all, and I mentioned one that I know of in my field that some big companies are working on. Take it or leave it, I am not trying to convince anyone that blockchains are the greatest thing since sliced bread.
 

People here asked if there are any use cases for it at all, and I mentioned one that I know of in my field that some big companies are working on. Take it or leave it, I am not trying to convince anyone that blockchains are the greatest thing since sliced bread.
There are few, and they are not compelling. Blockchains have a bad reputation, which has a lot of justification. My advice, as a professionally qualified IT person, is to have nothing to do with them. People promoting them - and I'm not accusing you here, you were asked for use cases - need to be suspected of either poor judgement or being part of a scam.
 

and I have heard the Earth described as flat ;)

I agree that blockchain is a buzzword and there is plenty of activity where 'solution in search of a problem' fits. If you want to capitalize on the hype, you basically face the issue of needing to use it for whatever you try to do, so it frequently becomes a 'if all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail' situation.

That does not mean that there are no use cases at all that are not scams or misguided, just that there are many for which a blockchain is overkill, as @Umbran said.

People here asked if there are any use cases for it at all, and I mentioned one that I know of in my field that some big companies are working on. Take it or leave it, I am not trying to convince anyone that blockchains are the greatest thing since sliced bread.
You’re dying on this hill buddy.
 



have you read the post? I am not even on a hill… unless you consider ‘blockchain is not in 100% of all cases a scam’ to be a hill
I mean, you’re still here arguing that blockchain has a possible valid use case in spite of the total lack of valid examples from anyone. Upon review, every proposed use case always boils down to “but why bother?” because blockchain offers few desirable features (plus several undesirable ones) for the price of being extremely inefficient. So at best, you’re still here defending the possibilities of a technology that stubbornly refuses to demonstrate its value outside of scams.

EDIT: I just want to be clear that I think you’ve been quite reasonable in this conversation, I just happen to disagree with you about the validity of this technology.
 
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Sparkle_cz

Explorer
When I heard about the existence of NFTs for the first time years ago, I thought it was a brilliant idea that can solve a big issue that me and my friends had.

We are creators who do niche / smallprofit / nonprofit stuff in a small market (Czechia) and we struggle heavily with finances and ways to make people give us at least some money, as Czech people are not used to paying for culture very much. Even Kickstarter / Patreon is problematic for us since the money gain does not compensate the cost of bureucracy and marketing for the campaign.
Many of us tried to reward our contributors with physical gifts (signed posters etc.), but also had to give up on this because the costs of shipping / packaging etc. wasn't worth it.

Unique, personal, virtual "badges of honor" seemed to be what could solve our problem. People who would donate us money, our best fans, would receive a virtual token from us, that could be personalized for them, with our "thank you" message for them etc., and the secure Blockchain technology would make sure that the recipient will not lose the token when their computer burns down or they lose their email password. Also, the badges could be later connected with some database and the recipients can then get updates about our work etc.

It is sad that we couldn't go on with these ideas because NFTs have been inbetween used by shady people for shady purposes and lost all credibility. It makes me sad because this could have been a great tool for super-niche creators for whom every saved penny counts.
 
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mamba

Legend
I mean, you’re still here arguing that blockchain has a possible valid use case in spite of the total lack of valid examples from anyone.
I mean, this is a TTRPG forum, I am not expecting to find a lot of people working on blockchain projects here that could provide examples ;)

I provided one, whether you consider it valid is up to you. Companies are working on stuff like that and have some blockchain based apps in use today.

You can dismiss them all without knowing the first thing about them or concede that maybe there are cases you have not thought of / are not aware of where using a blockchain makes sense, up to you. I am not trying to convince you of anything, nor am I familiar enough with those apps to try.

It’s definitely not the holy grail and the hype has rightfully died down, but there is a difference between that and having no use at all
 
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