Origins Experiences

Celebrim

Legend
Well (a) yes, I rest my case. The game wasn’t designed with the GM as a service provider. The GM is supposed to be a player too.

This was closer to the opposite problem. This was more the GM as the only player at the able where the players were serving the GMs needs. You were there to witness not to play. And again, I've never said railroad play is bad play and I would say about half the participants genuinely liked listening to the GM weave their story, but this was so far down that path as to not qualify IMO as an RPG as the term is usually used.
 

log in or register to remove this ad

Celebrim

Legend
And most of the Org Play was pretty disappointing, so it wasn't you.

I generally avoid organized play. I have a stable group that has been going for like 15 years now and so I don't need to scratch long form itches. I go to get exposed to new systems and styles of play. In that, this was a successful year, just not a particularly pleasant one.

But I had friends in the org play games that suggested they weren't so fun. And I did play Everyday Heroes and I had a good time, but not in organized play.

My biggest problem with the rise of org play was that there were fewer Indy content providers and free to play games and everyone wanted in those first, making them very hard to get into. Most of the org play games did not sell out, leaving the rest to all get sold out in the first hour with a lagged out system that couldn't service the user load.

By far the best game I played this year, and because it was positive, I will recommend it was "Not the Appalachian Trail" and I would have if I could have signed up for every game Mary Harbaugh was running. Excellent GM with a much better sense than average of what makes for a decent one shot.
 

jhallum

Explorer
Last year's Everyday Heroes module I played was outstanding (the Kong: Skull Island mod). I chased that experience this year and didn't have much success.

The most riotous game I played was in the Amorphous Blob room, but the best RP I've had in a long time was at a Candela table on Friday night. One of the best scenes I've seen in a long time and probably the best at a con I've ever seen.
 



MGibster

Legend
And I'm principally ranting because at Origins I play with a younger daughter and as such I tend to be picky about the GMs and games I sign up with because well, both her age and her gender sometimes make her the target of casual dismissal or condescending attitudes despite the fact that she's been playing since she could read and do basic math in systems from WEG D6, to D&D, to Blades in the Dark, to Ten Candles both at my table and at the tables of peer GMs.
I'm sorry your daughter has had that experience. More than twenty years ago, I was a frequent participant in a gaming club here in town and we ran events that attracted a lot of new people. I remember a father showed up to one of our events with his daughter in tow, she was in her mid-teens, maybe 16 or 17, and they wanted to jump in. The dad had playted some AD&D back in the day and thought it'd be fun for them to check out this new fangled 3.0.

It's been so long I can't even remember if I was a player or the DM, but what I do remember is one of the other players, I even remember his name, was macking on this poor girl right in front of her father. This is what you might have called a "teachable moment," because what I should have done was shut that behavior down immediately, but at the time I really didn't know how to handle the situation. I made the classic mistake of just ignoring the behavior in the hopes Mr. Romance would eventually get her hints and just stop the bad behavior. That just doesn't work.

This must have been around 2001 or 2002. Fast forward to 2022, the old club is defunct, and I'm back to running games for strangers at the game store. There are more women participating at these events than there were back then and I haven't observed the same kind of bad behavior I did way back then. As a whole, I have found the general behavior of gamers, including their hygiene, has proved over the last 30 years.

FYI: I don't say this to discount the experiences you and your daughter have had. But sometimes I like to add a little ray of hope. I think things have improved and they'll continue to improve. I think younger gamers are more aware of some issues than we were at their age.

Directorial stance. The GM creates all the PCs as pregenerated characters with their own expected emotions and motivations and primarily expects the players to play out her vision of the character. The characters are usually fine as literary devices and believable characters but they aren't given opportunity to actually do anything.
This is kind of how Alien from Free League Games works if you're playing a cinematic scenario. The player is given specific goals their character is suppoised to accomplish in the 1st, 2nd, and third act of the scenario. I don't necessary take this as a negative because it does give me a chance to roleplay a character I might not normally roleplay.

Board the Choo Choo Train. These are the most linear adventures with the hardest use of stage management and the least actual player agency I have ever seen in 40 years of gaming.
Anytime I run a scenario for a bunch of strangers I say something like the following: This is an extremely simple adventure. I don't even use the full rules as I prefer to keep things simple. I view these events as an opportunity to maybe play a game you've never played before, get familiar with the rules, and have a little fun.

Let's face it, I'm designing a scenario for up to 5 people who I don't know, may not know one another, and may have very little familiarity with rules. The scenario is going to be simple. We have four hours to complete this, and even my relatively simple scenarios will eat up most of those four hours.

Complete lack of self-awareness by the GM. The GM prides themselves on their lethality announcing for example that of 64 participants they had killed 45 and driven 10 permanently insane with only 9 survivors.
"I don't go out of my way to kill PCs, but I have to admit I love it when it happens. So if you see me cackle with delight, please don't take it personally."

I've certainly had my share of convention games that have gone poorly. Pre-COVID I participated in a GURPS fantasy scenario as a player at the FLGS game day and I had just a dickens of a time. It was a miserable experience that kept me away from such events for a few years.

In recognition of bad GMs everywhere, I also tell the players at my table at these events the following: "I'm not a jerk GM, even if I enjoy seeing your characters die in horrible ways. I'm going to assume a certain level of competence. You don't have to tell me you reload after a fight because I'm going to assume your character does that. If you're sneaking, I'm not going to pull a 'got'cha' because you didn't tell me you turned off your flashlight. In short, I'm not out to 'get you.' I just want us all to have fun. And to see your characters horrible maimed and killed."

So let's make this clear, while I would have given this a 4/10 experience simply because the oral storytelling was interesting in a "you are attending a lecture" sort of way, for my daughter this was less enjoyable than being condescendingly talked down to by a sexist GM the whole session on account of her age and gender, because at least that aside she was allowed to actually play an RPG.
Damn, that's pretty harsh. I'm not saying it isn't deserved, but if a player told me they'd rather spend 4 hours with a boorish, misogynist than play another game I ran I'd probably reassess my life choices.
 

Celebrim

Legend
This is kind of how Alien from Free League Games works if you're playing a cinematic scenario. The player is given specific goals their character is suppoised to accomplish in the 1st, 2nd, and third act of the scenario. I don't necessary take this as a negative because it does give me a chance to roleplay a character I might not normally roleplay.

I've played FLG's Alien game as a one shot and while it's not my cup of tea and I'm not a huge fan of forcing player competition/antagonism on a player it is true to setting so I understand why it's like that. Nonetheless, I had fun with the FLG introductory scenario, as on rails as it is and as much as I dislike most of the system (except the way stress works which is awesome).

But there is a difference between having a character with particular potentially achievable story goals and having a character with no motivation but to vaguely romance other characters in the group. And for that matter, my character in the same scenario had no active motivation but had solely a passive motivation to witness events. And really no one's motivation really mattered since no one was there to make a meaningful contribution to the story. (The other survivor of the session did so by avoiding any dice tests, basically figuring out a story that the GM wanted to tell and then letting that happen to them, surviving without the need to roll a die because the GM just fiat decided that it worked because the GMs attachment to that particular PC.) There were other characters that other players were running with particular motivations more in line with what you'd expect of a FLG Alien everyone is going to die scenario. But again, this would overstate the resemblance between the session and an RPG.

Anytime I run a scenario for a bunch of strangers I say something like the following: This is an extremely simple adventure. I don't even use the full rules as I prefer to keep things simple. I view these events as an opportunity to maybe play a game you've never played before, get familiar with the rules, and have a little fun.

Which is what I'd expect or what you'd expect to find in a typical "intro" adventure such as comes in the Call of Cthulhu Starter Set. This wasn't that.

Damn, that's pretty harsh. I'm not saying it isn't deserved, but if a player told me they'd rather spend 4 hours with a boorish, misogynist than play another game I ran I'd probably reassess my life choices.

All I'm saying is if the actual experience of play wasn't advertised as 7e Call of Cthulhu and was instead advertised as a homebrew storyteller game, then I would have known not to sign up. But yeah, that was the assessment of my budding female GM.
 

MGibster

Legend
All I'm saying is if the actual experience of play wasn't advertised as 7e Call of Cthulhu and was instead advertised as a homebrew storyteller game, then I would have known not to sign up. But yeah, that was the assessment of my budding female GM.
I get'cha. For the most part I've had positive experiences at con games. But sometimes you just get a bad GM, bad players, or some combination thereof that makes you wonder why anyone even bothered coming.
 

Reynard

Legend
Supporter
And (b) did the GM charge or did the convention? I don’t know, but I’ve never been paid to run a convention game. Sometimes conventions charge a nominal amount to discourage no-shows. I’ve certainly been sitting at an empty table at a convention with no players despite a fully booked table as many times as I’ve actually run a game.
It appeared that Lurking Fears were upcharging for their games (and I think the different costs for different games was based on the GM but I can't be sure). Those were the only games I saw asking an extra charge, so it wasn't a con-wide thing.
 

Was there a feedback panel where you could inform the con organizers themselves of the issues? It's usually after closing ceremonies in my experience.

Most cons also send out surveys afterwards. Be sure to fill them out to tell them about your experience.
 

Voidrunner's Codex

Remove ads

Top