Black Flag Kobold Press' Black Flag System Reference Document Released

Weiley31

Legend

• May 7, 2024

• #2

Tales of the Valiant

The Tales of the Valiant roleplaying game is ready to take your 5E adventures to new realms. Explore ToV The Tales of the Valiant RPG is a Black Flag Roleplaying Game from Kobold Press. Gather your friends and journey together across a labyrinth of worlds in search of adventure! The Player’s...

www.talesofthevaliant.com

Well, looks like we got ToV's full reference doc up. Seems to be the full levels 1-20 for classes with a subclass each.

I think this is pretty much what your gonna be having so far in ToV. So, time to compare the Monk to see if the ToV version is fully better!

 

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Zaukrie

New Publisher

• May 7, 2024

• #3

Awesome. You can also test drive the game on foundry, though the system is under black flag still

 

Reynard

Legend

Supporter

• May 7, 2024

• #4

I am very disappointed that Kobold followed WotC's example with a trimmed down SRD that doesn't include all of the subclasses. Maybe this is just a draft?

Also, I was kind of expecting more innovation but there isn't really much here that is new and interesting from a 5E mechanics perspective.

 

Jadeite

Hero

• May 7, 2024

• #5

Reynard said:

I am very disappointed that Kobold followed WotC's example with a trimmed down SRD that doesn't include all of the subclasses. Maybe this is just a draft?

Also, I was kind of expecting more innovation but there isn't really much here that is new and interesting from a 5E mechanics perspective.

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It's weird, some classes like clerics have multiple printed classes while others don't. But those missing classes are still referenced in the text. It seems pretty sloppy for a SRD.
The interesting thing is that it contains many of the classic creatures left behind while being released under the ORC.

 

Weiley31

Legend

• May 7, 2024

• #6

Reynard said:

I am very disappointed that Kobold followed WotC's example with a trimmed down SRD that doesn't include all of the subclasses. Maybe this is just a draft?

Also, I was kind of expecting more innovation but there isn't really much here that is new and interesting from a 5E mechanics perspective.

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Well, just like the default WoTC, that's how the reference/srd doc works. You want more than 1 subclass, ya gotta splurge on ToV. (Plus Kobold Press has to make money too, ya know).

As for not pushing the envelope far enough with 5E, well they have been very upfront with stating that the goal of Black Flag/Tales of The Valiant was to have some kind of 5E for people to play.

So years from now when we got 8th Edition DND, ToV will be there to provide the 5E need for people who REALLY love 5th Edition DND.

 

Twiggly the Gnome

Legend

• May 7, 2024

• #7

The Smallfolk lineage looks better than the playtest version.

 

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UngeheuerLich

Legend

• May 7, 2024

• #8

Ok. Nothing to see here. A nice variant. Nothing ground breaking.

 

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Zaukrie

New Publisher

• May 7, 2024

• #9

Looks like what I expected, some good changes, some ok changes, better (IMO) monsters than WotC......

I'm glad I backed it, don't know how much it will get used (I mean, I'm busy, and don't have time for a lot of NEW games). I'm sure some of these monsters will make it into my 5e games. Sure of that. Classes? Unsure.

 

Reynard

Legend

Supporter

• May 7, 2024

• #10

Weiley31 said:

Well, just like the default WoTC, that's how the reference/srd doc works. You want more than 1 subclass, ya gotta splurge on ToV. (Plus Kobold Press has to make money too, ya know)

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That's not the point at all. An SRD is there for designers, not consumers. The point of making it complete as possible is building a robust, active, innovative Open Gaming community (pro and amatuer) around the thing.

Frankly for a company like Kobold, which only exists because of Open Gaming, to hobble it is pretty naughty word.