Pathfinder 2E I think I am giving up on PF2ER

Reynard said:

I really like PF2ER, and I want to support Paizo, but I have come to the conclusion that it is just too heavy of a system for me. I don't want to scour rulebooks or the Archives for rules, and I don't want to do it half-assed either. I need something much lighter.

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• The revision pulled a lot of excitement from it.
• Still hate diagonal measurement (cone templates, blast radiuses, etc.)
• The very clear Ivory Tower design still in the game (there are clearly better classes and combinations)
• The enormous number of conditions and effects to track. And needing to keep rolling saves all the time.
• The boring feat design - like take this feat at 7th level, which works only under very special conditions, etc.
• I don't like APs as a design choice.
• Too many classes that don't have a good niche (should've been a subclass problem).

Incenjucar said:

Savage Worlds might be a direction to go. There's even a Pathfinder variant for it.

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Reynard said:

I really like PF2ER, and I want to support Paizo, but I have come to the conclusion that it is just too heavy of a system for me. I don't want to scour rulebooks or the Archives for rules, and I don't want to do it half-assed either. I need something much lighter.

I feel bad killing the game for the players I roped into it, but I did tell them it was explicitly a test to see if it was worth the effort and mental overhead, and I don't think it is.

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Reynard said:

I am a huge fan of SW, just generally not for D&D style fantasy (or Supers, but that's a different issue). I run it a lot at cons and have run it for hoem games, too.

I am leaning toward putting my PF2ER energy toward Dragonbane: I really like how it reads but have not had a chance to run or play it yet.

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thullgrim said:

I’ve got the Dragonbane box set but have not had the chance to get into it. From what I’ve read review wise it’s getting a lot of love.

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